3 layers of learning spoken about today says Thomas in the 3 minutes each panel Institutionalized learning, not sure how transformative learning deals with that
Communities, not institutionalized in the same way, maybe the difference is that former is explicit learning and second is implicit.
Life world learning, beneath the level of communities, the lifeworld learning but the most general one (Wittgenstein or Habermas)

EWT is not sure about the lifeworld layer, how knowledge is transformed or transforming, into the general landscape is not clear.
Space and time are not free and we are all human, but continuity across space and time cannot be taken for granted. Transofrmative is not a universal given, must be negotiated.

Q1 from audience: what would be the best way to allow and help transformative learning in the classroom.
Q2 struggling with authenticity, what is ther difference between identity and authenticity?

Knud Illeris answers:
Q1, and says Q2 is in some way related. Transformative learning cannot be taught in the general sense of the world.
Jacques Meserond, started a program on transformative learning, started all this (note to self, check spelling).
He asked workshop panels to demonstrate transformative learning, if they cannot demonstrate it they cannot teach it. In New York at Teachers College in some way Knut thinks it is too tough.

Authenticity required for TL.

Thomas Ziehe answers:
Theory about Tl can be learnt at a meta-level, as a practice cannot be learnt. There is a productive level of transparence, and a misleading one, where one is a glass human being. A conversation with myself which is not linear, is much better. Self-management from someone else.
“I wouldn’t advise us to be in a theoretical relationship to ourselves”.

EWT
You cannot design learning but you can design for learning.
For a prison guard the TL aspect would be to involve guards but also a prisoner, in situated learning for prison guards. An intervention is likely to be transformative especially if it is a meaning of identity.

Q1 again, what are best practice ways of intervention?
EWT To reflect, to experience strangeness, for a meaningful intervention, you must travel, open boundaries between communities.

For Thomas Ziehe
autonomy is not authenticity, it is a good level of freedom of inner and outer layers.

EWT
authenticity is the key to acting, because if you can fake that you have it made.
In his theory there is no matter of moral judgement. On the other hand, identity is morally neutral. One aspect of authenticity is you don’t have a question of identity.